I'm am the greatest graphic dsigner that ever lived...
And yet here I am debating the movie. My friend told me last night, "I've never seen the Titanic. I don't like the glorification of fornication pointed towards little girls. Big Immoral sex scene watched by every little girl about 5 times. Evil. Bad. I don't support. Do you really think every single girl got their eyes covered by mommy every time they went to the theater? And still the message is there even without seeing, little girls glorifying two people having sex before marriage. That show got 85% or more of its revenue fro little girls going to see it multiple times. I think it's safe to say giving little girls bad messages about sex and relationships is evil."
Obviously a heated topic of debate. First let's go over the movie and the major relationships in it. Rose was engaged to a man she didn't love because her formerly rich family had lost everything and now was trying to appear wealthy so she could marry her rich fiance. Her rich fiance had anger managemet and control issues. He flipped a table over after he yelled at Rose for not behaving the way he wanted her to while they were eating breakfast. At the end of the movie he was chasing Rose and Jack around the sinking ship trying to shoot them. Jack meanwhile was a traveling artist who won the tickets to Titanic playing poker before it set sail. Jack saved Rose from committing suicide in the beginning of the movie. She was going to jump off the ship because she hated her life and wanted to end it. Jack then started hanging out with her and sharing his stories of adventure and life. He taught her how to hock a loogie off the side of the ship. Hilarious. The fiance told him never to see her again and to keep his distance. But Rose and he kept seeing each other in secret -not kissing or anything, just talking. At one point Rose asked Jack to draw her nude as he had other women in his etchings from his trips to France. The drawing was made -no sex was had. Se said he was very professional. But then they were running from the Fiance's guard who was suppose to be watching Rose to make sure she behaved, and they hid in the back of a car on the ship. It showed them kissing and then it panned away. I showed the window of the car getting steamy and Rose's hand grasping the window then sliding down. Nothing else was shown.
Movies that contain suggestive or obvious sex scenes that kids can easily see that are rated PG-13 and below:
Avatar (which had toys in McDonald's happy meals)
Two and a Half Men
Glee (pregnant teens and sex in a musical show)
Gossip Girl
Vampire Diaries
Supernatural
Lost
Across the Universe (which also had nudity and was a musical)
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
Dirty Dancing
El Dorado (a Disney movie)
The Holiday
Heroes
A Knight's Tale
Memoirs of a Geisha
Moulin Rouge (also a musical)
One Tree Hill
The Notebook
Sweet November
Pretty Woman
Bedazzled
......
I think it's to be understood that PG-13 was invented because there was too much between PG and R that was not appropriate for kids to be seeing. Hence the reason the rating PG-13 came into existence. Imagine how traumatized kids in the 80s must have been. (Jaws should not have been rated PG...)
You can say that there are several factors that make certain movies more popular to younger kids despite the fact that they are rated PG-13. Like Popularity (How many kids saw Transformers with Megan Fox and those hot scenes with her dressed in... well... not much?). Or how about Celebrity (Everyone loves Leo, Brad Pitt, Robert Downey Jr., Ryan Gosling... anyone young and attractive really). Also Romance -a popular movie theme among girls. So many movies are flooding to mind. Like The Fantastic 4, which I didn't see because it looked like crap, but Jessica Alba was in it... nuff said.
The fact is if parents were to let the Media be the basis of their children's sense of morals -their kids wouldn't have many. It's up t parents to teach their kids what is right. For instance, my mom fast forwarded through Titanic sex scene and the nudity scene. but my dad let me watch whatever. And a babysitter let me see the full Titanic movie. She said there was no shame in nudity because it was just the person's body and art was a way to celebrate life and the beauty in it. Imagine a little girl hearing there is shame in the naked human form. Don't you think she'd grow up more concerned about modesty and have great insecurity with showing off her own form -even to go swimming or wearing anything that she felt clung to close to her body? Telling a person there is shame in their body makes them ashamed of their body and increases insecurity. Not good. We want women to have a healthy self-image and to be taught what is appropriate to wear and how to act based on different social situations. Movies don't teach that.
And here we are, with another point to be made. Art reflects life. It doesn't make sh*t up out of the blue, it draws from our common culture. So really it's society hat's the issues, not the movies that portray it. That love story from Titanic could have realistically been a real one. And in fact those situations have occured many times before among people. The media just highlights what is already there. So what message is society saying to young girls these days?
Things that are "cool" for young girls to say: That guy is hot. Let's go shopping. My sister slept with some guy. Did you hear about who Nancy was with? She's such a slut. I'm going to see that movie because it has that one good looking guy in it. Did you see that girl on ANTM? She wasn't pretty at all. I don't know why all those guys like her. I would totally rape Robert Patterson if I met him. He's mine. My mom was such a bitch the other night because she caught me drinking. At least I wasn't driving or anything. She totally over-reacted.
Sadly, these are things I've heard. Usually among teens. But now it seems that little kids are growing up faster than that.
Things that are not "cool" for young girls to say: I'm a virgin. I'm a Christian. I read the Bible. I go to church. I'm a Muslim. I'm waiting til marriage. I sleep around a lot.
As with most adults, anything to do with Religion or sexual promiscuity/prudence is of the table for topic.
And when it comes to maintaining virginhood, the only people/movies I know that openly support it are: The Jonas Brothers, Jordan Sparks, and The Twilight Saga.
Twilight is interesting because it was written by a Mormon and in the book Edward says he is "old fashioned" and wants to wait until marriage while the girl is actually the one who is ready to hop into bed. The one "moral" movie on the issue portrays vampires as people which some people think is "immoral". Irony. But for most girls I think they acknowledge vampires aren't real and are nothing to aspire to be anymore than wherewolves and fairies are. But love and waiting for the right person are things they can strive to achieve.
You fall for things hook, line, and sinker.
ReplyDeleteNormally, a movie which glorified fornication like this would be viewed as such. But you fall for the easy trap of sympathizing for characters that have difficult lives and so "their only happiness was in the bond of their forbidden love". Suddenly it becomes ok.
Whatever. Do you think raunchy romance novels are good for little girls too? Because it is art that portrays what really happens?
So because you think art shows reality, it's ok for girls to see? You keep thinking that little girls have your ability to decipher right from wrong. They don't. Little kids, boys and girls, want to be what is glorified what is in front of them. That's why they need to be protected.
I'm consistent in my stands, Jessica. I would watch Harry Potter and Titanic if it was aimed for adults. But I don't support anything that feeds evil to our little kids. We need to protect our little kids --- Jesus said the same thing. He said that it is better for a person to tie his head to a rock and jump into a sea then to deceive/hurt or little ones.
I'm baffled as to why you don't see this, right after you made a post that spoke about how messed up it was a for a girl to be having sex with so many people.
EVERYBODY KNOWS that media such as movies, magazines, and even Barbie dolls are messing up our girls --- so how do you give Titanic a pass?
I don't think you view sex before marriage as being that bad. Because if Titanic was glorifying something like a man having multiples wives, or under-age girls, or some other sexual sin, you wouldn't defend it.
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This is true. As far as worldly sins go, it is worse for unerage girls to have sex or a man to have multiple wives than two adults "consenting". And as far as your stand that all sins are equal goes, Why would you pick on Titanic specifically and not other movies like the ones I listed? In fact, how can you support any sort of media at all? Since the media according to you can be reached by kids and is the most influential thing in their lives, how can you support television or video games at all? You refuse to watch Titanic, but watching T.V. in general is ok.
ReplyDeleteAnd again, little girls have no business watching Titanic or any other movie that has sexual situations in it. Period. But movies aren't going to shoot at little girls and say, "Stay away!" If you genuinely believe Titanic tried to lure little girls in to see it, then you can't rely on movies to be moral. The morality has to come from another place. Call them PARENTS. Or Responisble Adults.
Teens can watch Titanic however. What you argue with them is that it leads them down a wrongful path. This is true. Teens watch shows about teens having sex and then thnk it's ok to do the same. Not gooda.
But then you take it further and say it is an immoral movie in and of itself because it makes people in general think pre-marital sex is ok. This is a different topic.
You were first saying it is immoral for little girls to watch movies with sexual content in it -which we both agree on.
Then you said, since Titanic has sexual content and was seen by little girls, the movie itself is immoral.
-Nope. The act of showing a little girl a movie with inappropriate content in it is immoral -not the movie itself.
Then you say pre-marital sex is immoral. Therefore Titanic is immoral for showing or glorifying it. This could be a valid point, and would make the movie immoral. But can you prove that pre-marital sex is immoral to the extent that people should ban the watching of ALL movies involving pre-marital sex from being watched?
You are either just complaining about the movie or you are trying to have a Call to Action.
All I can say is that I'm not going to let movies or society decide the kind of relationships I choose to have. I am bound by my own sense of morailty and will do what is best for me in my life. I'm pretty sure most people feel the same.
"And as far as your stand that all sins are equal goes, Why would you pick on Titanic specifically and not other movies like the ones I listed? In fact, how can you support any sort of media at all? Since the media according to you can be reached by kids and is the most influential thing in their lives, how can you support television or video games at all? You refuse to watch Titanic, but watching T.V. in general is ok."
ReplyDelete--- again, it's about protecting our kids. We are adults. We don't (easily) fall for the glorification of evil on a film. Kids fall for it 100% of the time, without someone coming to correct what they saw.
"And again, little girls have no business watching Titanic or any other movie that has sexual situations in it. Period. But movies aren't going to shoot at little girls and say, "Stay away!"
--- Upon the knowledge that tons of little girls were making Titanic the most watched movie ever, the producers (if they had a sense of right or wrong) could have publicly stated an reiterated that this movie was NOT for little girls.
But no. This isn't such a world. What they did instead was encourage the little girls to come so that they would get richer and richer.
So now we have both greed and bad messages to our children.
"But then you take it further and say it is an immoral movie in and of itself because it makes people in general think pre-marital sex is ok. This is a different topic"
--- it's a movie that purposely glorifies an immoral act! I can "handle" it, but kids cannot. Even so, I would not watch it because it GLORIFIES the evil. The sex/romance between these two is the center of the movie, Jessica. It would not sell as much without this. I'm talking about *what is glorified* in a movie. Do you know what this means?
In Iron Man, Tony Stark has immoral sex. But that is not the *focus* of the movie. That is not what the movie *glorifies*. Iron Man glorifies technology to fight evil. A good thing.
Do you understand this?
I cannot possibly avoid every single bit of media that shows sin. It happens. But I can avoid the movies and media that glorifies a sinful act, implying that all people should experience this.
This is no call to action or fault-finding, Jessica. I don't have time to pick on things just because I'm bored...don't put me in the same camp as the Occupiers.
I am talking about a spiritual concept, an understanding that you have yet to contemplate. Although you are more naturally spiritual than me, you still have not reached where I'm talking now. Once you get there, you will be able to describe and express it better than I ever will, but this is me challenging you to step up your game.
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"Even so, I would not watch it because it GLORIFIES the evil. The sex/romance between these two is the center of the movie"
ReplyDelete-Ha ha ha, you think the movie was about a 2 minutes sex-scene? Wow. Nope. It was about...guess what?... the TITANIC.It was a 3 hour movie about the birdth and death of a ship. The only other part on it that was focused on was the Romance between two characters. LOVE. If it had just been about the sex scene it would have been title somethin else... like "Porno". In fact, if you cut out the sex scene and the nude scene -which channels like Fox and ABC do when they air it- the movie ca and still does have Value. It's not glorifying sex and the fact that you say it does just goes to show how little you actually know about the contents of the three hour movie.
Also, you just saw the movie Immortals which involves a woman who is specifically a virgin having sex with a guy. And yet you said that movie was good. I guess sonce it glorified man's righteous acts and not the sex scene -it was ok in your book. And yet a movie that glorifies Love and the tragedy that was the Titanic sinking is clearly a sinful movie to be boycotted.
ReplyDeleteYou are sooooo wrong. Wowz.
ReplyDeleteThe Titanic would *never* sell as much without the glorification of sinful romance.
C'mon Jessica. It isn't the sex scene alone. It is what happens to get to that point, and what happens after that makes that one scene special.
Again, the *vast majority* of tickets for that movie were purchased by little teen girls seeing it multiple times.
If that romance and sexual culmination were not in the movie, it would not sell as well.
Let's take Iron Man's brief (and implied, not shown) sex scene. If that wasn't in the movie, it would have sold just as well or better.
Was the Immortals about sex? Romance? Nope.
I didn't *like* that scene in Immortals, but it wasn't the glorification of focal point of that movie.
Also, you are taking this to a whole different level. Immortals is a movie based on Greek values and culture. They didn't do Christian marriages or Christian actions in that culture. Hello. In fact, in many cultures, sex with a virgin WAS how two people got married.
Titanic is based on a culture in which it is knowingly wrong to have sex before marriage. Everyone knows it is wrong, and people who don't think it's wrong think that Christianity is wrong.
Finally, look up the genres of these movies. You won't find "Titanic" under "Historical documentaries", Jessica. C'mon!! You find it under "romance", which happens to appeal to teenage girls.
(Iron Man and Immortals are NOT pointed at teenage girls!!!)
And when a movie is under the "romantic" genre, it is the responsibility of the creators to show good values to our girls. Of course, that would be a perfect world.
In the real world, people will sell sin to girls for the sake of getting rich. That's the world we live in, and that's the crap I stand against.
You do too. Difference is, you happen to like Titanic and haven't spiritually put 2 and 2 together. Your heart and affection for a good memory is getting in the way of your logic.
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"It isn't the sex scene alone. It is what happens to get to that point, and what happens after that makes that one scene special."
ReplyDeleteLike I said, It's the Romance part of it that people like and come back to see -the sex scnene isn't significant. But I'm still confused why you call it a "sinful" romance. Something tells me, even if they didn't have sex, you would still call their romance sinful. You are not a romantic by nature I guess.
"And when a movie is under the "romantic" genre, it is the responsibility of the creators to show good values to our girls."
-You'd think you'd b pissed off with "Shakespeare in Love" or "Friend's with Benefits" or once again, "The Moulin Rouge". But whatever, you think what you want.
"Your heart and affection for a good memory is getting in the way of your logic."
-It's a Romance film. Since when is a Romance film based solely on Logic? You're funny.
"You are not a romantic by nature I guess."
ReplyDelete---What are you talking about, silly? I'm so romantic, I can give it out for charity. I believe two people can be very passionate and romantic and emotional with one another without sinning. Two people can have strong adoration and love for each other --- it's how they act upon and express that love that matters.
You are wrong about me.
--- I didn't like Shakespeare in Love. I actually preached against Friends with Benefits, which is extreme debauchery which ruins people. Moulin Rouge too.
It's not me thinking about it. I'm a Christian that follows what the Bible says. You don't like what the Bible says.
That's really what this comes down to.
You
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And yet I'm still shocked that you complain about the sexuality amongst teens and don't see the connection to its expressions in media.
"It's a Romance film. Since when is a Romance film based solely on Logic?"
--- Oh, so because two people fall in love, any form of sex they have is correct?
You're funny.
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I'm not against your point -waiting until marriage. Though it occurs to me that since all sin can be forgiven and overcome by God thn if Jack and Rose from Titanic became devout Christians afterword there would be no immorality in their lives afterwords. They could then be "saved". But we weren't ever really arguing about sex -it was the Movie.
ReplyDeleteYou can't blame the media for not raising children right. It's the parent's job to make sure they raise their kids right. Anyone who thinks differently will have to live with the consequences of expecting the media to teach their kids morals.
Jessica, I've seen you over and over again passionate about something you think is harmful and not right in society. It's because that *something* is important to you. You believe that that *something* is bad and so you blog about it.
ReplyDeleteSure, you may intellectually believe that sex before marriage is wrong but you don't feel it is all that bad. If you did, you would feel the way I do about these movies. I believe you think it is some kind of "minor" sin that people can do or not do and it would have a minor affect against the backdrop of "true love".
Heck, you got fired up because people wouldn't clap in a graduation but you pass this off like it is nothing. When in reality it is *a part of what you hate about teen debauchery destroying our youth*.
How you don't see this boggles my mind, until I remember that you are indeed a female and your emotions are hence very powerful in comparison to your logic. You are one of the most logical females that I know, but every now and then, like now, I'm reminded that you are indeed a female.
Your appreciation of romance deadens and weakens logic --- but it's ok, it's what you are.
Yes Jack and Rose could be "saved" afterwards but sin will always have results later on.
You are correct that parents need to guard their children. But here's reality: parents don't. And evil media is still there.
Just because media can be blocked by parents doesn't change the fact that it can be evil.
And that's my only point. Just the same with Harry Potter, you blow up my position and try to ostracize me into this radical group.
All I said about Harry Potter and Titanic is thus: I don't like what it stands for and I don't want to watch it.
This somehow threatens your entire universe and you bug out and I don't know why.
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"You are one of the most logical females that I know, but every now and then, like now, I'm reminded that you are indeed a female." I'll try not to take that as a derogatory statemnt implying that females are less logical than males. I will also acknowedlge that females if you are implying that females are more emotional than males than I would also conclude that they are also more empathetic and compassionate.
ReplyDelete"Your appreciation of romance deadens and weakens logic --- but it's ok, it's what you are." -Again, I'll try not to take this as derogatory to my female or Piscean nature.
"Yes Jack and Rose could be "saved" afterwards but sin will always have results later on." So they cqn't be saved then? I guess you could say a murderer would have negative results from his sins throughout his life even after becoming a devoute Christian, but you taught me that he can still be Saved. Now you're taking it back? People can sin and be saved and still suffer and not be saved because of their sin?
You are correct that parents need to guard their children. But here's reality: parents don't. And evil media is still there. -Then isn't it a flaw of the parents? Again, the media having the capacity to show evil is a GIVEN that cannot be changed. Unless you want to arrest directors and actors and make certain movies illegal. It's the parents job. They are the only factor that can protect the kids from the media.
Just because media can be blocked by parents doesn't change the fact that it can be evil. Exactly. Parents need to step up then.
"you pass this off like it is nothing. When in reality it is *a part of what you hate about teen debauchery destroying our youth*."
Maybe because what the teen girl shared on her tumblr was REALITY while the Titanic was just a movie. Movies influence people, but they are not ACTIONS. What the teen was doing was sharing her ACTIONS -things she had actually done.
Anyways, I will be clear. I don't think premarital sex is good. It falls short of the ideal put forth for mankind by God. But people often and always fall short of those ideals. Hence the reason Christ sacrificed Himself to Save people from their sin. If you can say people can be saved, then any problem of any sin can be washed away and overcome if people align themselves to God's path. You can't then add a disclaimer that says, *but because people have sinned they aren't saved all the way and their lives will still be messed up*. People will always sin in some way shape or form -even after they follow God's path. Christ is the only person I can name who lived on this earth without sin. I think even his disciples sinned. The point isn't that they sinned or in what ways they sinned -the point is that they foun Salvation and others can too. Yet here you say that this movie and others like it will destroy morality and innocence in people's lives and they will be forever lost to salvation because of it.
I'm concerned for people -like the teen girl who smokes weed and sleeps around with guys. But NEVER do I think they are beyond Hope. Some movies upset me because of their crass lack of morality -but NEVER do I let those movies dictate or influence the decisions I make in my own life. Never do I think I or anyone else is beyond redemption.
Emily says the way you describe the movie makes it sound like a Pedophile that's interested in little girls. She also notes the fact that there were dead bodies floating in water in the movie, gun's being fired at people, high class and low class society, and cussing which are also not intended or marketed towards young kids.
ReplyDelete"I'll try not to take that as a derogatory statemnt implying that females are less logical than males." --- Women aren't as logical as men. This is not a weakness. It is part of what makes a woman a woman. Men are not as emotional as women. This is not a weakness. This is what makes a man a man.
ReplyDeleteMen are weak because they are often not emotional enough.
Women are weak because they are often not logical enough.
This is why men and women need each other.
Understanding this is how men and women make a relationship work!!
Can a woman make a very logical conclusion? Yes. But she has to deal with a very powerful emotional inclination.
Can a man act upon emotion? Yes, but he has to deal with logic which may leave him heartless if not overcome.
When it comes to Titanic, because it appeals to your exact demographic (young and female), it is hard for you to assess the movie in a logical way. This is not an insult, this is an understanding of men and women.
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"People can sin and be saved and still suffer and not be saved because of their sin?" --- People can still be saved from their sins in terms of avoiding hell, but there are still consequences that they must deal with. For example, a man who was a murderer, if he gets baptized, will still go to heaven. But he will always live his life haunted by what he did, probably sued by the families, and probably dealing with hate all of his life. But his soul is still saved.
ReplyDelete"Again, the media having the capacity to show evil is a GIVEN that cannot be changed." --- Wrong. It can be changed. It can be changed by not supporting evil media financially. Trust me, if nobody went to see movies that glorified sin, they wouldn't be made.
This is how things work in a democratic environment.
Let's just pretend you believe this to be a great evil that barely any parents defend their kids against. You're really ok with that? You're ok with something that is messing up our kids just because parents SHOULD be dealing with it? Well, parent's *aren't*.
So if we know parents are taking care of their kids properly and leaving them victim to bad things, you're ok with giving money and support to this bad thing?
What about violent porn? Isn't that a bad thing? Just because parents *can* block it, does that make it ok? Does that mean we (who are mature) can support it?
I'm not equalizing Titantic and violent porn --- I'm merely looking at the concept of supporting evil because a parent *could* stop it. Especially with the knowledge that most parents *don't* based on the statistics.
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"Maybe because what the teen girl shared on her tumblr was REALITY while the Titanic was just a movie. Movies influence people, but they are not ACTIONS. What the teen was doing was sharing her ACTIONS -things she had actually done. " ---- All I need to pay attention to here is "movies influence people". Some much more than others. Therefore we need to be careful what we support in movies.
ReplyDelete"Yet here you say that this movie and others like it will destroy morality and innocence in people's lives and they will be forever lost to salvation because of it." --- No clue where you came up with this. Hopefully my view was clarified above.
But it's funny because Paul talks about this in the Bible. He says that all of our sins are covered by grace if we are Christians. But then Paul says "shall we sin so that grace abounds?"
In other words --- just because we are Christians, does this mean we should allow ourselves to sin because we're ok in the end?
Paul says no, and says no mainly because even if our souls are saved, our lives will be messed up due to sin.
See, I hate the glorification of premarital sex in movies because it doesn't show the real results. It doesn't show the girls who are impregnated, which leads to single-motherhood. Or it may lead to abortion and guilt. Disease. STDs. Abuse. It doesn't show REALITY.
Finally, another reason we should not allow ourselves to sin or support sin (just because we are saved) is because we are playing with fire. That sin may knock us out of our salvation. One can lose their salvation due to sin, you know.
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"Emily says the way you describe the movie makes it sound like a Pedophile that's interested in little girls."
ReplyDeleteHuh? Please explain. O.o
Also, you're funny. You mention you are purposely avoiding being offended because I suggested women are more emotional and less logical then men, and you don't see how this might not be the least bit offensive?
lol...hilarious.
" She also notes the fact that there were dead bodies floating in water in the movie, gun's being fired at people, high class and low class society, and cussing which are also not intended or marketed towards young kids."
--- As I explained before, this movie isn't about dead bodies in water. IT isn't about guns. It isn't about high class or low class. It isn't about cussing.
The main focus of this movie, the main thrust, the main purpose, the main glory is *romance*.
You will find this movie in the *romance* section, not in the gun section or class section or dead bodies section.
These things are there to only provide more credibility and support to the main thrust. It's called good writing, nothing else.
I go back to Iron Man. That movie had (suggested) premarital sex. But I own the movie. Am I being a hypocrite?
I don't think so, because Iron Man wasn't about *romance*.
You won't find Iron Man in the *Romance* section of a movie store because that isn't what the movie is trying to glorify!
You do understand this concept --- you just haven't thought deeply about it.
Simple question: what are movies/games/music trying to GLORIFY?? What is the MAIN THRUST?
It is those things that we have to look at and be careful what we support.
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ReplyDeleteAlright, it took me all day, but I think I figured out that pedophile comment, lol...
ReplyDeleteEmily is saying that I'm making the movie seem like a pedophile, out to get little girls.
All I'm saying is this, Jessica:
The movie was mainly supported by little girls who went to see it several times.
Because of that movie, Leonardo became a *teen idol*.
I'm saying that the people who made this movie, even if they didn't mean for it to be a little girl hook (and I doubt that), still took all of that money from little girls and didn't stop. They didn't give warnings. They didn't ask parents to stop it from happening, they kept it going.
So maybe Emily has a point. I despise people who ruin innocence.
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"often not logical enough" -Often being the operative word. The zodiacs have taught me that regardless pf gender -spme Signs are more emotion or logical than others. You can say in general woman are more emotional , but you can also say in general libras are more logical than leos regardless of gender.
ReplyDeleteWo you posted a lot. I'll skim through it, but to be honest I don't care about this topic anymore. It's like the Harry Potter thing again. You can call it evil if you like, but since there is "sin" in everything I prefer to focus on the Virtues of whatever is presented before me -be it a person, book, or movie- because focusing on the negatives gives me nothing, while Virtues can always be learned from and admired.
What "good" do I get from the movie Titanic? That society with it's class structuring divides people into categories -rich and poor- when in reality people have more to offer society than their wealth. Jack -a poor man- showed more resect towards pthers and life in general than a rich man who was violent, narcistic, and abusive to Rose.
I also got to see how the Titanic went down which is hard to learn about or imagine visually. It was amazing to see what happens when people get cocky and say they don't need extra life rafts.
The love story was beautiful. That despite society "class" structure trying to control every move a person had to make, two people recognized each other for who they were as people and not wat society labelled them as. Despite their premarital relations, they both had a positive effect on each others life. Jack freed Rose and died for her. Rose gave Jack love -something to die for.
"You're really ok with that? You're ok with something that is messing up our kids" -Speaking as one of those kids and having talked to other girls who were around the age of 12-13 when they saw the movie -they looked at me weird when I brought the subject up. They hadn't been "traumatized or negatively impacted" by it. They just saw it as a movie. Kids are either too young to notice or acknowledge negative things or their too old to think much of it. A young kid playing Grand Theft auto would focus on the colors and the car. An older kid would think little of a fantasy game and not translate it literally or act on it in ther own lives.
ReplyDeleteAs for the parents -you can't teach kids morals. You can try and support that effort, but most kids don't listen to anyone but their friends and parents. You can try to rid the world of what you consider to be negative media -but if you don't have the majority supporting you in it you will come up short.
Violent porn would have a negative effect on most kids because they wouldn't be able to understand or handle the visuals. But Titanic would either be found as boring by young girls or just romanitc by older ones. Not because of the sex, but because of the love.
You know the more I think about it, there are a bunch of Christian groups who advocate against movies they consider to be immoral and they wave picket signs around and they preach about the movies. But nobody outside of that group ever listens and I think it's because nobody talks to them on an indivudal basis. If you had an honest conversation with one person and explained your beliefs to them in a way they could relate to, then they would ban the movie because they would feel the same way about it.
ReplyDeleteYou can't just yell or complain about a movie and expect it to go away. You can't just yell at or complain to people and expect them to support you. You have to Explain the real underlying issues to people and then they will agree with and support your cause.
"See, I hate the glorification of premarital sex in movies because it doesn't show the real results. It doesn't show the girls who are impregnated, which leads to single-motherhood. Or it may lead to abortion and guilt. Disease. STDs. Abuse. It doesn't show REALITY."
ReplyDelete-Finally an argument we agree upon.
"You will find this movie in the *romance* section, not in the gun section or class section or dead bodies section."
ReplyDelete-Actually it would be under Drama. There were too many things to go one to say it was Just a romance film. Hence the reason guys watch it.
It was 60% Romance
30% Giant boat sinking and the trauma from that
10% Old lady sharing her story and the Class/ Society issues
Yah it was mostly romance focused, but there were a LOT of other intense things going on.
"Because of that movie, Leonardo became a *teen idol*."
ReplyDelete-He became more of a teen idol, but he was in Rome and Juliet -which really put him on the map. An interesting thing to note: Rome and Juliet -not exactly moral. Especially with the dual suicide. If anything it teaches people about the dangers love can fall into when it clouds people's logic. Yet you would say since it is a Romance film geared towards young girls, Shakespeare's work is immoral.
"You can say in general woman are more emotional , but you can also say in general libras are more logical than leos regardless of gender."
ReplyDelete--- gender simply over or under emphasizes what the zodiacs teach. For example, a Pisces female is prone to daydreaming and moodiness. A Pisces male would be as prone to daydreaming, and have more violent moods (Neptune) because he is male.
An Aries woman is goal oriented, but nowhere near as much as an Aries man can be, because his gender is more prone to being that way.
If you believe that males and females are the same except for gender, then you'd be missing out on a ton when it comes to understanding what makes a male a male and a female a female.
"I don't care about this topic anymore."
--- and you too wrote a ton. Would hate to see a topic you actually care for.
"You can call it evil if you like, but since there is "sin" in everything I prefer to focus on the Virtues of whatever is presented before me -be it a person, book, or movie- because focusing on the negatives gives me nothing, while Virtues can always be learned from and admired."
I'm looking at the "motives" behind something, Jessica. Motives are always either good or evil. The results can contain both sides, but the motive and intent of things are pure one way or the other.
You helped my argument by saying that Leonardo was a teen heartthrob BEFORE Titanic, via Romeo and Juliet. I forgot about that.
Therefore, the intent of the creators of the Titanic was to appeal to little girls and get their money via a bad message.
"Speaking as one of those kids and having talked to other girls who were around the age of 12-13 when they saw the movie -they looked at me weird when I brought the subject up. They hadn't been "traumatized or negatively impacted" by it."
--- How do you know? Has any of these girls had premarital sex? If so, Titanic certainly didn't help to stop it from happening.
"A young kid playing Grand Theft auto would focus on the colors and the car. An older kid would think little of a fantasy game and not translate it literally or act on it in ther own lives."
--- for the record, I bought GTA and sold it immediately because it too glorifies evil things. I wanted to like it very badly but I don't do that. And you might want to do a study on the link between violent games and violent kids.
Lemme just tell you the results in case you don't feel like it: violent kids today ALWAYS love violent games like GTA.
"there are a bunch of Christian groups who advocate against movies they consider to be immoral and they wave picket signs around and they preach about the movies. But nobody outside of that group ever listens and I think it's because nobody talks to them on an indivudal basis."
--- yeah you have a problem with picketing. That seems to affect you in some way as you always bring it up. Completely doesn't apply to me. I live the example --- I don't force it in people's faces.
"Yet you would say since it is a Romance film geared towards young girls, Shakespeare's work is immoral."
--- Romeo and Juliet never have pre-marital sex. Your point, I'm afraid, doesn't work here. It shows the consequences of foolish logic, which is a moral lesson. It doesn't glorify suicide at all.
Shakespeare often wrote the very real consequences of sin, which is something I respect.
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*A pisces male WOULDN'T be as prone to daydreaming, I meant
ReplyDelete"Therefore, the intent of the creators of the Titanic was to appeal to little girls and get their money via a bad message."
ReplyDelete-I don't know where you get this notion that Little girls are being targeted -it would be more like young teen girls and up. Hence the raiting PG-13. If they really wanted little girls in the theaters it would have been a PG movie. And I don't know why you act like there's a conspiracy going on to get young girls to have premarital sex. There is no conspiracy -just society.
I don't think girls have premarital sex just because they saw the movie Titanic.
"violent kids today ALWAYS love violent games like GTA."
-tread carefully here. There was a group of people who said that the shootings at Colinbine were caused because those kids listened to Marilyn Manson music. There is a correlation between negative people enjoying movies/music/video games that are negative -but it does not mean CAUSATION. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Movies don't make people do things, people do things.
And if the only places we get our morals from are movies, books, tv, and music then we as a nation are screwed. There are virtues and vices in every peice of literature and film -it was made by man and no man is completely without sin.
"-I don't know where you get this notion that Little girls are being targeted -it would be more like young teen girls and up."
ReplyDelete--- because they put Leonardo DiCaprio in it. If they wanted an adult demographic, they would have put in Harrelson Ford.
And, any female less than 18 is "little girl" in my world. =)
"And I don't know why you act like there's a conspiracy going on to get young girls to have premarital sex"
--- Never said it was a conspiracy to get them to have premarital sex. It is a conspiracy to get MONEY by glorifying a sinful act that little girls are going to want to do.
"I don't think girls have premarital sex just because they saw the movie Titanic."
--- Or course not just because. But part of the reason. And certainly isn't something that would prevent it.
You are, for the sake of argument, underestimating the power of media. If media had no power to influence people, it would not exist.
"There is a correlation between negative people enjoying movies/music/video games that are negative -but it does not mean CAUSATION. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Movies don't make people do things, people do things."
--- Bible says that what you put into your body must come out eventually. If you keep your eyes on evil things, it will have an effect on you.
Obviously, media isn't the ONLY reason why people do bad things but it is PART of the reason.
Study all of the mass murderers who were into violent porn, for example.
If you fill your mind up with evil things, evil thoughts, evil music --- it WILL have an effect on you.
Jesus says so. "The eye is the lamp of the body", He said.
"And if the only places we get our morals from are movies, books, tv, and music then we as a nation are screwed. There are virtues and vices in every peice of literature and film -it was made by man and no man is completely without sin."
--- Speak for yourself. I don't watch movies that glorify evil.
Again, it is the INTENT of movies/films/games/books that I'm focusing on. Intents are perfectly good or evil.
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because they put Leonardo DiCaprio in it. If they wanted an adult demographic, they would have put in Harrelson Ford.
ReplyDeleteHarrison Ford is for Indiana Jones, not Titanic. It was about young people in love -which I suppose would cater to a younger demographic. But that's like saying an R rated movie about premarital sex is less sinful and negative to an "older audience". At least that's what your implying. You're saying that younger people are more suseptible to sin from movies and media, but that's kind of bull -especially when people between the ages of 20-30 are the ones sleeping around the most.
"--- Or course not just because. But part of the reason. And certainly isn't something that would prevent it."
Exactly -it's a Correlation, not a Causation. You can't say the solution is to get rid of one element of a problem when the probelm is far more expanisive than that and has many elements to it. Ultimately Titanic is the least of the elemtns in this. There is a widely accpeted societal notion that pre-marital sex isn't an issue. Removing one movie from society will not change that.
If you're going to focus on a solution -demonizing a movie isn't it and won't help. It's about reaching people and making them understand by leading the example and upholding greater standards. If the only thing you can say someone can do to uphold such standards is to ban movies like Titanic -you're standards aren't high enough and aren't aiming in the right direction.
"Again, it is the INTENT of movies/films/games/books that I'm focusing on. Intents are perfectly good or evil."
The Intent of Titanic was to make money by showing an award winning film about a love story that took place during a famous historical voyage that ended tragically. The End.
If sin becomes a habit, then your life becomes a sin. Watching one movie won't corrupt you, but exposing yourself constantly to negative media and influences will have negative influences on your life. Your life will then become corrupted -not from one movie, but my a continous series of negative influences be they music, media, activities or people.
Jos from ToastMasters said we should stop pretending and focusing on people who are famous that aren't Role Models. We should not automatically give that title to people who don't deserve it. Instead we should focus on the people who do -be they famous or just everyday citizens.
ReplyDeleteI think this applies here. Instead of focusing on Negative Media and calling it evil, why not focus on Positive media and proclaim it as good. Say, Titanic is nothing in comparison to the contributions Movie XYZ has given to strengthen the wealth of virtue in society today.
"You're saying that younger people are more suseptible to sin from movies and media,"
ReplyDelete---Young people ARE more susceptible to evil. That's why there is a thing called "parents". That's why there is the expression called "raised". That's why Jesus says to "protect" the "little ones".
C'mon Jessica --- please let's not argue just for the sake of argument. You KNOW kids are more susceptible to things than adults. ><
But you make a good point --- just because we are adults and "less" susceptible doesn't mean we should fill our minds with smut.
Again --- what is being glorified? What is being taught? What is the moral of the story?
I love the Godfather. Contains violence and sex practiced in an evil way. Why do I love it? Because it shows the *consequences* of those actions. The real ones. Evil is not glorified. The people in that movie suffer directly as a result of those actions.
Titanic has a double wammie against it: 1. Bad message to susceptible youth and 2. Not showing consequences of evil actions, implying that doing evil is extremely romantic.
"Exactly -it's a Correlation, not a Causation"
--- you can't prove that movies like Titanic are not part of the cause, sorry.
"If the only thing you can say someone can do to uphold such standards is to ban movies like Titanic -you're standards aren't high enough and aren't aiming in the right direction."
--- luckily for me, it's not the only thing I do. I live the example, visit those who are suffering from sin, counsel those back into a healthy lifestyle...
...AND call a movie for what it is. I'm not demonizing Titanic. It's doing that all for itself, glorifying and romanticizing evil, destructive behavior. My job as minister is to see through bullcrap and say the truth of what things are. It's my power of discernment.
A power you have as well, but in this case I'm afraid you are still clouded.
"The Intent of Titanic was to make money (through the glorification of sin to little girls) by showing an award winning (an award given by a sinful world, because it caters to their sinful desires) film about a (fictional) love story that (didn't) take place during a famous historical voyage that ended tragically. The End."
--- There, I fixed it for you.
"If sin becomes a habit, then your life becomes a sin. Watching one movie won't corrupt you, but exposing yourself constantly to negative media and influences will have negative influences on your life. Your life will then become corrupted -not from one movie, but my a continous series of negative influences be they music, media, activities or people."
---- part of that negative media is Titanic. Don't know why you give this movie a pass. Oh I know, because you happen to like it. Same with Harry Potter.
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"Instead of focusing on Negative Media and calling it evil, why not focus on Positive media and proclaim it as good"
ReplyDelete---- I do both.
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Oh, and there is no "focus" on negative media here. O.o I don't spend my days and nights thinking about how evil Titanic is. lol...
ReplyDelete...all this is, again, is you having an extremely hard time with somebody thinking outside of the box and not following what popular culture says like a sheep.
"HOW CAN SOMEONE NOT LIKE TITANIC! GASP! HOW CAN SOMEONE NOT LIKE HARRY POTTER!! GASP!!"
Someone who thinks about things a bit more? Who doesn't follow the crowd?
When Hitler rose to power in Germany, 99% of Germans followed him.
They were ALL WRONG.
A few people, like Albert Einstein, questioned the popular fad and got the heck out. He was all by himself, probably called a freak, probably teased...probably told GASP! HOW CAN YOU!
Ended up being called the smartest dude ever by most accounts.
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"Titanic has a double wammie against it: 1. Bad message to susceptible youth and 2. Not showing consequences of evil actions, implying that doing evil is extremely romantic."
ReplyDeleteYah because Jack drowning and Rose marrying someone else and having kids with her husband didn't put a slight damper on their relationship. Besides, Rose would have married Jack had the boat not sank -therefore marrying the only man she had had sex with.
Secondly, there aren't always earthly ramifications for sins that have mostly spiritual consequemces. You know what happens when Rose dies at the end? She doesn't go to heaven she goes back on the boat and sees Jack again. She's a ghost on the ship, not in Heaven. She has to stay on the bat for the rest of her existence as far as we know and not in heaven. So there.
"--- you can't prove that movies like Titanic are not part of the cause, sorry."
A part of the cause is the not the cause itself or even the main cause -it's just a component related through correlation.
I think what it comes down to is faith. I saw Sin City yesterday. It shows sin and the earthly ramifications of it as well as some glorification of it. And yet I know I'm not a corrupt person. I know that movie hasn't corrupted me. And I've seen it before and it didn't corrupt me then. You have to have faith that people will not melt down into evil balls of sin every time they are presented with such subject matter.
People will encounter sin at any age and in many forms be it a movie, a person, or a drug. The only difference is some people will not use those influences as an excuse to invite corruption into their own lives. Others will. Those who do will suffer, hopefully learn from their mistakes, and kick corruption back out the door.
-And wasn't Albert Einstein Jewish?
"Yah because Jack drowning and Rose marrying someone else and having kids with her husband didn't put a slight damper on their relationship. Besides, Rose would have married Jack had the boat not sank -therefore marrying the only man she had had sex with."
ReplyDelete--- The boat drowning had zero to do with their sinful actions, therefore there is no moral to the Titanic story. It remains a movie that glorifies a sinful act to little girls and doesn't describe the consequences of those actions.
a.k.a. = Evil.
"Secondly, there aren't always earthly ramifications for sins that have mostly spiritual consequemces. You know what happens when Rose dies at the end? She doesn't go to heaven she goes back on the boat and sees Jack again. She's a ghost on the ship, not in Heaven. She has to stay on the bat for the rest of her existence as far as we know and not in heaven. So there."
--- Now you're being corny. Cute, but corny.
"A part of the cause is the not the cause itself or even the main cause -it's just a component related through correlation."
--- I never said it was the only cause. But it's still an evil part of the problem.
"I think what it comes down to is faith. I saw Sin City yesterday. It shows sin and the earthly ramifications of it as well as some glorification of it. And yet I know I'm not a corrupt person. I know that movie hasn't corrupted me. And I've seen it before and it didn't corrupt me then. You have to have faith that people will not melt down into evil balls of sin every time they are presented with such subject matter."
---- If you watched Sin City and other movies that glorify sin, you will be affected by it. You are a human being and meant to interact with things around you --- you are part of the universe. To suggest that you can interact with something evil and be unaffected by it would turn you into a robot, not the living, breathing, interacting organism that God made you to be.
Although you try your best to act like a robot, Jessica, you are affected by everything you see.
In fact, if you are able to see horrible, sinful things and no longer be affected, then you are truly in trouble and have lost you conscience.
It IS possible to lose your conscience. I've met such people. But you are not there.
A lot of this debate is you making claims that only make sense in a blog, but don't have any room in reality.
"People will encounter sin at any age and in many forms be it a movie, a person, or a drug"
--- Doesn't mean you seek out sin. Doesn't mean you push sinful agendas. Doesn't mean you help to glorify sin on people or ruin innocence just because yours might be ruined.
"Hey little girl...watch this sh-- because I did and I'm still here."
Evil.
"-And wasn't Albert Einstein Jewish?"
--- Yes? Your point? You think every Jewish person left Germany? No. Like the rest of the sheep, even the Jewish people thought they could ride out Hitlers idea. And Hitler didn't just say on the first day "ALL JEWS DIE!"
The anti-Jewish Nazi regime came along step by step.
Only the discerning people saw what was happening, saw the signs, and got out of the way.
I invite you to see with tme the hyper-immoral-sexual and occult agenda being pushed on our kids in today's world....or stay blind.
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"---- If you watched Sin City and other movies that glorify sin, you will be affected by it"
ReplyDeleteBy the robot metaphore think you're suggesting that I would beceom desenstitized to violence and sin. I wouldn't react to them. Which is interesting when you tie in what you said : "A lot of this debate is you making claims that only make sense in a blog, but don't have any room in reality." Because it is just a movie we're debating on. If it were reality the reaction of anyone would be far more drastic.
For instance the man who wrote Girl with a Dragon Tattoo witnessed gang rape when he was 8. It wasn't a movie, it was Reality. Which is my point. Movies are a subtle inflouence in the lives of people compared to what Reality shows people. Your fear is that since kids have a hard time discerning reality from TV that movies will be more likely to corrupt them. That's true.
But when on God's green earth did you come up woth the notion that the moie Titanic was intended for kids. I've heard you claiming things -like the fact Leonardo Dicaprio was in the film - but nothing concrete and no real evidence that that is what they were doing. I see Titanic as a movie for Adults and adults only -hence its raiting. I don't see little girls being specifically targeted -unless you're talking about TEENAGERS -in which case make the destinction. When you say "little girls" it implies 8-12 years olds. What you're really speaking to are TEENS.
And if it i your opinion that Teen girls are then at risk of having premartial sex because they saw the movie Titanic -then how do you explain girls like Katy Perry? She was raised by very strict Christian parents who wouldn't let her see any movies. Now she sings songs like "Teenage Dream" and "California Girls". How did that happen?
I think when you try to "shelter" teens they eventually figure out what's going on and they go out of their way to rebel and find things out for themselves since their parents didn't trust them enough to let them see PG-13 movies. Their teen friends are probably the most influential people in their lives a that point and if those friends drink and party -so will the "sheltered" teen at some point. Movies are a part of our culture and they reflect our culture.
Our culture is hyper-sexual. That I agree with. nd some companies are trying to bank on getting the younger generation in on it. It is getting harder and harder to protect young girls 8-12 from negative role models and influences. But I don't think Titanic is one of those influences we should be worried about. The Titanic is not a sexual movie. In fact I'd say it's like watching Pride and Prejudice for 80% of the movie. Then there's a nude scene and a suggestive sex scene. Then the boat sinks and people drown. Katy Perry's videos, Lady Gaga's videos, and Miley Cyris at the teen choice awards are more suggestively sexual than the entire 3 hour movie Titanic combine.
"Movies are a subtle inflouence in the lives of people compared to what Reality shows people."
ReplyDelete--- Media is not always a subtle influence on people. You are acting in this current thread as if movies have never had a big part of your life.
I doubt it, but good for you. Let's pretend that movies have never effected Jessica Power.
But you have admitted that music has. It changed your life. MEDIA. Not reality.
Who are you to claim that a movie cannot have the same effect on an individual?
"I don't see little girls being specifically targeted -unless you're talking about TEENAGERS -in which case make the destinction. When you say "little girls" it implies 8-12 years olds. What you're really speaking to are TEENS. "
--- Since when are teenagers adults? Since when are they not to be protected? Since when do they move out of the house and make their own decisions? Since when are they uninfluenced by media? Since when are they unable to be led in the wrong way?
Anything not adult needs to be PROTECTED, Jessica.
Teenagers are still the "little ones" that Jesus talks of, the ones that Jesus says if we lead astray and give bad things, it would be better if we tie our head to a millstone and jump into a sea. *Jesus's own words*
"She was raised by very strict Christian parents who wouldn't let her see any movies. Now she sings songs like "Teenage Dream" and "California Girls". How did that happen?"
--- You answered your own question. She was raised by "very strict Christian parents". Parents who overdue or over-burden kids also will ruin their kids.
Middle-way, baby. A part of Buddhism I strongly agree with, btw (since you somehow believe I think Buddhism is a joke this week)
"Movies are a part of our culture and they reflect our culture."
--- Dog fighting is a part of our culture. Rape is a part of our culture. Incest is a part of our culture. Drunkeness is a part of our culture. Thievery is a part of our culture. Teen pregnancy is a part of our culture. Withcraft is a part of our culture. Violent porn is a part of our culture. Non-violent porn is a part of our culture. Poverty is a part of our culture.
...shall I carry on? And yet you think it's ok for there to be movies that glorify these things and not show the reality of them.
Again, I don't mind movies that show these things. Just show the REALITY OF THESE THINGS TO PEOPLE. Not glorify and fake-a-fy it.
"But I don't think Titanic is one of those influences we should be worried about."
--- Much like Harry Potter was simply a "gateway" movie to worse things like Vampire Diaries, Titanic was a brand new gateway to glorifying immoral sexuality to our youth. It just got worse from there.
You don't give people poison directly, Jessica. You sugarcoat it. Then when people are addicted, you can give it to them in a more raw way.
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"Again, I don't mind movies that show these things. Just show the REALITY OF THESE THINGS TO PEOPLE. Not glorify and fake-a-fy it."
ReplyDeleteAlright, hypotheitcally speaking if you were to Direct the end of Titanic -acknowledging that in Reality people do tend yo get caught up in romance and risk everything for it ,like in the Great Gatsby and many other known life sources- how would you show the ending of that movie in a way that depicts the Reality of premarital sex to people?
I will say, if they would have left the nude scene and "sex" scene out the movie would have done just as well. But since they threw the nude scene in there, the movie should have been rated R as should any movie dipicting a fully nude individual -like Shindler's List (which they also often make kids watch in high school despite its graphic content).
Nobody goes to see Pirates of the Carribean expecting to see a nude scene -although there were plenty of inuendos. And nobody goes to Harry Potter expecting to see nudity or sexual content -which they didn't do in all 8 movies except for one brief moment in the final film where Ron imagines his girlfriend making out with Harry in a suggestive way.
Let's hypothetically say though that every movie rated Pg and Pg-13 never again included sexuality, violence, drug/alcohol use, or sin of any kind. All adults would watch R rated movies. Then because Adults watched R rated movies more kids and teens would want to watch R rated movies and sneak into see them. The fact is we have "wholesome" movies out there -like Barney and The Muppets and people of all ages do go to see them. But they are never as popular as music, movies, and television that involes any of the other stuff. Teens find that stuff to be redundant and boring. And unrelatable. Teir lives are usually chaotic and tumultuous -they want something they can watch and relate to that involves drama and conflict. You can't have those in a wholesome happy-go-lucky idiealistic movie where nothing bad happens.
"Alright, hypotheitcally speaking if you were to Direct the end of Titanic -acknowledging that in Reality people do tend yo get caught up in romance and risk everything for it ,like in the Great Gatsby and many other known life sources- how would you show the ending of that movie in a way that depicts the Reality of premarital sex to people?"
ReplyDelete--- It's very possible to present strong, passionate love between two people without them going all the way. In fact, what's more tragic than two people who really want to consummate their love, but can't? I would simply show the two of them terribly wanting each other, perhaps even showing them wanting to do wrong and struggling against the desire, THEN the ship going down.
"I will say, if they would have left the nude scene and "sex" scene out the movie would have done just as well."
--- Perhaps even better if the legions of Christians like me who refused to watch it, watched it, because there is no immoral lesson to our youth.
" You can't have those in a wholesome happy-go-lucky idiealistic movie where nothing bad happens."
--- It goes deeper.
Sex sells. All by itself. So the best writers and best actors and best producers want to make money so they write about and promote sex.
It takes a VERY special and dedicated writer to choose to not go down this path and still write a story that appeals to everybody.
I think you are short-changing history. Perhaps the most popular franchise ever --- Star Wars --- doesn't contain any kind of immoral sexuality.
Neither does Spider-Man.
Neither does Gladiator.
There are plenty of movies that blew up the box office but didn't need immoral sex to sell. Harder to do, but possible.
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Agreed. The scenes were not needed and the movie would do just fine if they edited them out. Still don't think they were aiming the movie at 8-12 year olds, but teens -sure, that sounds right. Teens and young adults. I think they included the sex scene because sex sells, but I like the movie. It was a good film -even if it did lower its standards more than they should have.
ReplyDeleteI think it's very clear that you like the movie. =) And I think no better or no worse of you because of it. In the end...just not my style.
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I do like the movie actually. It's right up there with Moulin Rouge. I don't know if you've heard the commercials for what's coming in April to theaters in 3D... I find it be ironic fate. You will not be pleased when you see the commercials for it. But I'm telling you right now, out of respect for your discontentment for the movie, I will not see it in theaters. I may watch it again one day on regular tv if it's on, but I won't "hype" it up by seeing it in theaters.
ReplyDeleteI'm not being sarcastic when I say that I'm honored that you wouldn't do something out of respect for me and my views. That's a real friend right there. ((hug))
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