Friday, December 23, 2011

Who's Right?

Who cares abou Who is right. It's about What is right.

First off I want to say -Thank you Past-Self for writing these blogs making it easier for me to copy/paste past points and perspectives i have clearly identified and written down.

That being said, Let's analyze: Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and Buddhism.

Judaism -as suggested by a friend, this religion contains many many practices and customs that were important to be followed by a specific group of people during a specific time period. To Universalize Judaism however would have negative consequences on the world -not to mention be virtually impossible for all to follow. We can use Pig meat as an example because at the time it was a meat that would rot very quickly and make people sick (making it a practical law to ban it being eaten) but today we have refrigerators and pig meat no longer poses a threat to people's health. Ultimately the Teachings in Judaism are valuable to us and will always be -but not necessarily the Practices/Rituals/Customs.

Christianity can and has been used Universally. It's hard to imagine South Americans practicing Judaism instead of Catholicism or Christianity. Christianity can be followed anywhere by anyone. It focuses les on rituals and more on Spirituality and following a clear path to God. I removed the clutter to create a space for everyone to come together. It advocates Compassion and Forgiveness v. Judgement and Punishment. Faith over Matter.

Islam. I can appreciate things this religion brought to the table. Once a year Muslims give 1/3 of everything they own to charity. This relgion taught people to look after orphans, widows, and the destitute. It also brought morals to a desert landscape of waste and hopelessness. They also mandate acknowledgement and worship of God 5 times a day (although some people acknowledge Him more times a day than that just out of habit making this practice seem obligatory and overly redundant). But the one thing that alwys turned me away from this religion was the concept of Revenge. They justified killing people because someone's cousin killed someone's uncle who killed someone's great great grandfather 200 years ago... It's an endless cycle of violence that this religion deems justified. It cannot be Universalized then, because the Go-Ahead for violence would end humanity, compassion, and faith. In fact, it seems strange that some of the teachings in Isam directly contradict those of previous prophets and speakers of the Word such as Christ and Moses. But in this life you have to decide for yourself what is right. Take in the good and weed out the bad. Like a selectively permeable sponge. From this religion I would take the good and leave the violence.

Buddhism. I always say this religion is on equal par to Christianity. Someone told me that it was an unnecessary relgion to follow since that which can be appreciated in it can also be found in Christianity -which comes direcly from God. This is true, however Buddhism has more physical/secular/practical ways for people to get in touch with their actual Spirituality -not just philosophically. Meditation, yoga, Being Mindful... these are directly appliable lessons people can use.

Buddhism also mentions Reincarnation which Chrisitanity leaves out. Why does it leave it out? I think it was because, like Buddhism, Reincarnation is something to be avoided -like Hell. There is Heaven, Hell, and Reincarnation and the Bible focuses on keeping people out of Hell and getting them into Heaven. Reincarnation is something that bleeds through both states, but is not something to be striven for. As I said in a previous blog:

"Everything gets Reincarnated if you think about it. Nothing ever ceases to exist, it just changes form. Water drop becomes evaporated becomes cloud becomes rain becomes ocean becomes... People are the same. Soul becomes enfleshed becomes old becomes soul again becomes uplifted or weighted down or reincarnated becomes enfleshed again... Heaven is a temporary reward zone. How long is temporary? -No idea. Could be a couple centuries, could be a millenia... No Clue. But at some point, people can chose to become reincarnated. They then come from above down to earth and have more of a say in the next life they lead and are usually better off/ rewarded in that life with comforts and good living conditions. Hell is a temporary punishment zone. How long is temporary/ -same as Heaven. No Clue. But if souls from Hell become reincarnated they are coming up above from below, and have more suffering in their next life and less say in where they end up -making it more challenging for them to find happiness and serenity. They have to work harder for those things. Most people who ignore their spirituality or don't seek it out, but do good,  just end up being reincanrated right off the bat. Think about it, if you don't progress and you don't change, why do you think the afterlife will be any different? You get reborn over and over and over until you make that journey up. Then you get a reprieve. This is Karma."

Yesterday I talked to someone who said that she thought Buddhism was far better han Christianity. This woman was raised by Catholics. Being a Pisces she experienced spiritual activity (ghosts) and directly opened herself up to those experiences by communicating back. She tried to tell her parents about it but ,being Catholic and belieiving in demons but not ghosts, they said there was evil in the house instead of spirits. Not helpful. She also feels afraid to talk about and express her spirituality because growing up around Catholics, you were not allowed to express opinion of beliefs that fell outside of the realm of what you had been taught. She was essentially "over churched" like my grandfather was -making her agnostic and more Universalist in thought towards the realm of Christianity. Also, like many people today, she has heard false "Christians" preach about hate towards homosexuals and against certain people -making her associate the religion with bigots and self-serving ignorants. It sucks when you try to vouch for a religion but the person you are talking to has a negtively schewed pre-association with it thanks to losers who misrepresented it before you came along. The same goes for Buddhism (thanks hippies...)

After this conversation with her, I was reassured of my own Spirituality, but dismayed that 1. Christianity wasn't present in her life more and 2. she felt afraid to talk about Spirituality in general to people. I feel this myself sometimes. Not fear of talking about Spirituality/Religion, but dismay that so many others honestly don't give a f*ck about it.

She looked at me and said she was knew she was weird for wanting to be spiritual. It killed me. I told her she wasn't weird, other people are weird. It's weird as hell that so many people acknowledge they have souls and that there is a God and yet those two things have no relevance in their passing lives to the extent that they avoid the topic altogether and look down upon those who bring it up at all.  

17 comments:

  1. You have, in my estimation, a very exact and perfect view of Judaism. A view very hard to achieve.

    I also completely share your view of Christianity.

    Your view of Islam is very idealistic, and some people try to live your view. In reality, since violence is such a very important part of Islam from its founder on, to take violence out would leave Islam a very shallow religion. So shallow, in fact, that one might as well be a Christian. =)

    Buddhism is great. Problem is, it alone cannot free us from our sins. Sins require somebody to die, and nobody died for our sins in Buddhism. This is why we need Christianity, even if we adopt buddhism. There are other weaknesses as well (like their view on "negative emotions", but we've been through that) but overall I view it as 75% truth.

    Part of the 25% false (in my opinion) is reincarnation. =) But I suppose we'll talk about that one day --- there is no proof of reincarnation outside of personal testimony, which as you know I can't accept as proof of truth.

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  2. "Part of the 25% false (in my opinion) is reincarnation. =) But I suppose we'll talk about that one day --- there is no proof of reincarnation outside of personal testimony, which as you know I can't accept as proof of truth."

    -I view Reincarnation as a fact. Hate it, accept it, love it -it's just a fact. Logically speaking, personal experiences are one thing, but Proof is another. Somebody saying they remeber a past life in detail and giving exact references to it -especially when it's a kid saying it- and the accounts can be verified that that exact person did live many years ago... how do you explain that?

    Also just from a personal point of view -Old souls and young souls. How do you get old? You live a long time.

    Almost every "spiritual" person I know acknowledges several things: 1. God and heaven exist. 2. Some souls of people who die physically remain here. 3. People get reincarnated. It's just a part of the system.

    Going by the Bible alone, a non-spiritual person would never understand this. Which I think is why God invented Buddhism. Some things didn't need to be taught in the Bible because they weren't essential. Reincanration isn't essential to believe or know -you'll experience it on your own one day. Getting to heaven on the other hand is Essential.

    He wanted the Eastern belief system to see value and validity in Western Beliefs, and vice versa. Then the two would come together to fully complete the whole Truth.

    The Bible doesn't teach Meditation. It speaks to prayer and reflection. And yet both are almost the same concept. Meditation is a way to focus and reflect which is a strength of Buddhism, but it lacks prayer, which is a strength of Christianity.

    Both are strongest together.

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  3. "Somebody saying they remeber a past life in detail and giving exact references to it -especially when it's a kid saying it- and the accounts can be verified that that exact person did live many years ago... how do you explain that?"

    --- I would need absolute proof that this person or child didn't read up on the person or know of the before the interview, sorry.

    Also, people aren't all that different. If you speak in general enough terms, massive groups of people have lived the same exact life over and over.

    "Also just from a personal point of view -Old souls and young souls. How do you get old? You live a long time."

    --- you have an old soul. So does Nicole. So does my friend Samantha.

    ...but all of you are very girly in ways that old women are not. =) Trust me, I visit old ladies a LOT...and as old as you and Nicole and Samantha may be in some ways, you are all very, very girly in others.

    "1. God and heaven exist. 2. Some souls of people who die physically remain here. 3. People get reincarnated. It's just a part of the system."

    --- Not what Jesus taught. Not what John taught. Not what David taught. All extremely spiritual people. Bible is clear that everybody dies *once* and is then judged, going to the good place or bad place.

    Either the Bible is right or wrong about this. And if it is wrong about this, it is not the perfect truth it claims it is.

    "Which I think is why God invented Buddhism. Some things didn't need to be taught in the Bible because they weren't essential. Reincanration isn't essential to believe or know -you'll experience it on your own one day. Getting to heaven on the other hand is Essential."

    ---- This is a great point you make. I want to first and foremost say that you being able to know what is "essential" or not is a great skill that many people do not grasp...many people much older and supposedly "wiser" than you.

    I am very impressed and actually smiling right now that you mentioned this very important point without me even talking to you about it. =)

    In fact, this is your strongest argument towards reincarnation and since I highly value an understanding of what is "essential" teaching or not, it is very tempting to join you in agreement based on this point alone. As much as I like debating with you, I've already said that agreeing with you after a fight is quite awesome.=)

    I only cannot because the concept of reincarnation directly contradicts the perfect teachings in the Bible. o.o

    If you can find a way around this problem, I'd love to believe it with you. =)

    "The Bible doesn't teach Meditation." --- I don't know where you that that from... O.o



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  4. "The Bible doesn't teach Meditation." --- I don't know where you that that from... O.o

    During wat passage in the Bible does it cover Meditation the way Buddhists do an constantly practice? I never hear or see priests or Christians meditating. If they do, it's because they are following the Buddhist notion to relax and focus themselves. Buddhism owns in the field of Meditation, and consequently Yoga as well.

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  5. As I said before, any good and true teaching in Buddhism is in the Bible already --- just not made to be a focus in Christianity because Christians believe the focus is Christ and not on US.

    ...which is a very Buddhist idea. If you haven't noticed yet, Buddhism is a very "me"-oriented religion.

    Regardless, the Bible has several passages that speak highly of meditating and focusing and dwelling on God's word.

    Psalm 119 is a great start. It is meant to be a passage that one reads to meditate on.

    Unlike what Buddhism says, tho, one doesn't have to meditate to achieve "salvation". That is through repentance and baptism. But Christians believe it is a very good idea to achieve greater spirituality.


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  6. "...which is a very Buddhist idea. If you haven't noticed yet, Buddhism is a very "me"-oriented religion."

    Buddhist emphasis is on ONEnesss with the universe. It focus on the individual by means of showing everyone's connectivity to everything. Christianity focuses on chrsit being an example for Every individual to follow. The Bible wasn't written for Christ - it was written to show every single person how He lived so that they might follow in His path to salvation. Buddhism wasn't written about for Buddha -it's about how he lived so that others may follow in his path to find greater sense of Spiritual unity with the Universe (God).

    The way I see it, The Bible is perfect in and of itself. Buddhism is also Perfect in and of itself. Both do what they intended. Like each side of a coin, giving similar, and yet different information that completes the message. You can't say one side of the coin lacks or is imperfect because it doesn't hold information found on its other side. The two sides are ONE. You can't have a oenny without Abraham Lincoln and the Washington Monument. Both represent something differnt that speak to similar things. If both images were to be on only one side -that side would be cluttered and the other would be blank.

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  7. "It focus on the individual by means of showing everyone's connectivity to everything."

    --- To achieve salvation in Buddhism, one must at some point be all by themselves and achieve a level of mental/spiritual/physical discipline that involves nobody else.

    Christianity is much more complete. It has much to do with yourself, but that means nothing if you don't have much to do with everyone else.


    "Buddhism is also Perfect in and of itself."

    --- Sure, if all you do is look at Buddhism. But the flaws in Buddhism come out once you begin to compare it to other thoughts, logics and religions.


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  8. "all by themselves and achieve a level of mental/spiritual/physical discipline that involves nobody else."

    Wow this is so weird. I gave you that book to read that basically told people they weren't supposed to shut themselves off from the wrold completely. You meditate and reflect in silence, but then during the day go out and connect to people compassionately. It argues against the notion that you have to be a shut-in. oh well. I guess you didn't understand it. You don't really seem to care for or concern yourself with Buddhist teachings. I guess it's not something you want to learn right now. Maybe later in life you'll find more value in it.

    As for your last comment, you seem to be confusing Perfect with Complete. You're basically saying the Lincoln side of the penny is imperfect because it doesn't have the Washington Monument that the other side has. Again, both sides are needed, but not necessarily together on the same side. If that were the case there would be no need for them to Come Together -which was God's plan. For East to meet West.

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  9. "Wow this is so weird. I gave you that book to read that basically told people they weren't supposed to shut themselves off from the wrold completely. You meditate and reflect in silence, but then during the day go out and connect to people compassionately. It argues against the notion that you have to be a shut-in. oh well. I guess you didn't understand it. You don't really seem to care for or concern yourself with Buddhist teachings. I guess it's not something you want to learn right now. Maybe later in life you'll find more value in it."

    --- Ummm...if you're trying to guilt me into changing my views of Buddhism, it's not going to work. >_>

    The book you gave me was not the 100% agreed on teachings of Buddhism. It was a modern, Western-appealing, interpretation of Buddhist to combat exactly my claims on the religion.

    Up until a Buddhist reaches Nirvana, they MUST interact with humans, of course. This book is talking about this process. It may take several cycles of reincarnation to finally reach a place where one can achieve Nirvana. Up until they reach that stage, they cannot afford to ignore society because that in itself would lead to negative karma.

    In other words, if you can't reach Nirvana at your current state, you need to interact with others and treat them well so that you may reincarnate into perhaps a state where you CAN reach Nirvana.

    Bottom line is this --- at that moment where you can reach Nirvana, it will not involve other people. It will not involve sacrificing for others. It will not need other people.

    You cut yourself away from the cycle of suffering (people), you end the ignorance of dependent origination (people), you seclude yourself.

    This is why Buddhism has a direct link to Monkhood which is (surprise) a life of isolation from other people.

    Modern day Buddhists are trying change this concept of isolation. I already told you that when a religion tries to kill its original teachings so as to adapt to what's happening today, it will end up killing itself.

    Jewish people HAVE to keep sacrificing animals or Judaism will never grow. Hence it is dying.

    Islam HAS to keep killing people as Mohammad did, or it will lose it's identity. That's happening as we speak.

    Buddhism HAS to remain an isolated lifestyle religion, or it makes little sense and anybody can adapt it to their culture. This is why only 6% of the world is Buddhist (far from the 50/50 idea you are saying in other places).

    Jess...I've told you before...you and I are the same. We are on the same path. We have the same logic, the same interests, the same breaking down of things.

    You having the number 12 so intertwined in your destiny has made me think about a lot...

    ...anyway, fact is, I'm 10 years ahead of you on these thoughts. I've still got a ways to go. But I'm still 10 years ahead of you. =)

    Don't fool yourself into thinking that I haven't already figured Buddhism out. Only reason I haven't given you my full opinion of the matter is because I'm not worried about you---you have the same desire for Truth as I do and you will get there. So I am patient and simply let you speak.

    But I would like the same kind of respect. Don't try and accuse me of not being a seeker, and a studier...as you did above. ><

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  10. "You cut yourself away from the cycle of suffering (people), you end the ignorance of dependent origination (people), you seclude yourself.

    This is why Buddhism has a direct link to Monkhood which is (surprise) a life of isolation from other people."

    Finally we agree. This is the one area of Buddhism where i get off the train and switch tracks. I don't aim for Nirvana. I suppose there are some people who might, but I think it's a "lesser state" than heaven. Nirvana involves being pure energy -like the wind. Losing sight of self and soul and just becoming that which is the life force. I don't think that place sounds good. I like the white light better. Monks practice silence and relfection -which can bring some great insights I'm sure but not as many as life itself can teach when you live fully and outside the walls of an enclosure.


    the funny thing about Judaism changing and Islam changing is that it's changes are "Christian" in nature. Less violence and less focus on rituals. Maybe those religions are continously remolding themselves into the "right" religion -the one everyone will one day worship. Maybe it's fate that these religions are changing -because they need to change in order to continue on. Maybe Buddhism is the same. Maybe it's old notions of isolation are falling to the waste side and it is evolving more of the right methodologies and concepts.

    It's like a person's life. You can't say who a person was when they were 8 is who they end up being when they are 80. Life changes. People change. And yet religions are expected to stay the same. Maybe religions evolve too as they reach greater revelations about the world. Maybe they're meant to evolve. I think christianity has evolved (and divided) and changed. You can't exactly pinpoint christianity because it has so many kids at this point that no one denomination would agree 100% with another denomination what thnigs are meant to be "Christian". Maybe we're all headed toward the same conclusion and we're just trying to gather all the pieces together.

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  11. "And yet religions are expected to stay the same"

    --- that's the very definition of "religion", Jessica. They are laws of truth that cannot change.

    "religion" is not "science", where "science" is always proving itself wrong, getting better and better.

    And yet today we have scientists who say that their laws cannot change although there are clear signs of flaws (evolution), and religious people who claim their laws can change.

    I'm sorry Jessica, but science that cannot change will die, and religions that change will also die.

    The science that lasts forever will always adapt, and the religion that lasts forever will never change despite time/place/people.

    This is why Christianity is so amazing. The very core of it can still be followed today, all around the world.

    Consider what I'm saying here, Jessica.

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  12. "religion" is not "science", where "science" is always proving itself wrong, getting better and better.

    And you still emphasize the fact that the "core" of it can still be practiced. But what about the Jewish part of it?

    I believe people sense the way the spiritual world works, but ultimately lack the capactity to grasp it fully until there. I belive God has intervened to try and guide people towards the higher state of spiritual being, but people will only begin to better understand this as time goes on on the earth and in people's individual lives. Experiences = Growth. The Bible itself will never be fully realized until the Judgement Day so to say it is complete now and has no further way of changing and is stoic and frozen in time is silly. Religion changes because times change and people change -they grow and become better as they learn more. We do keep certain core beliefs and practices constant -like murder being wrong, but the ones that seem to be less essential are updated as time goes on and new evidence is discovered.

    New Truths are always being discovered and if a religion does not react to and respond to a change, it will die. Hence the reason so many Christians and Catholics have tried to keep people from changing -always pushing them to stay on one path. That's why 13 year old were married off before they even got the chance to think about premarital sex. That's why people who stole food to keep from starving were arrested and punished. They were being forced to adhere to a system that refused to change and apply itself to humanity. Which is why so many people today stray away from religion in general -they fear being bounded to a system that will start to dictate their existence. If a religion is not humane, if it does not see change and respond to it, if it does not apply to any current society -it dies. So to say Christianity is incapable of changing is to ignore the fact that it has. Christianity today isn't the same as it was before Martin Luther isn't the same as it was when it was first declared an official religion.

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  13. I think we are talking about the same thing with different words.

    The core of a religion cannot change and still be that religion, yes.

    I suppose the question is, what are the cores of these religions?

    What is Buddhism without isolation?

    What is Judaism without animal sacrifice?

    What is Islam without violence?

    In all three of these religion, these were taught as core models to follow by their founders.

    And yet we see these religions attempting to change their core.

    You are right --- Christianity must change and adapt in certain ways. But it is built to do so. That's why I believe there are only 7 core truths in Christianity --- if any of these 7 are messed with, Christianity would die.

    But outside of that, Christianity can and has adapted.


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  14. Question: Do modern Jews or even Fundamental (Old School) Jews still do animal sacrificiing? If not how do they explain/ justify it -that is, doing away with a tradition Jesus specifically told them to get rid of in place of baptism?

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  15. You're hitting the very core of Judeo-Christianity.

    The book of Luke says that when Jesus died on the cross, at the very moment of his death the holy curtain in the Jewish main temple was torn in half and an earthquake happened.

    This was to symbolize the end of the need for a Jewish sacrifice, because Christ had taken the place of every animal ever needing to be sacrificed.

    Of course, many Jews still tried to hold onto their tradition even though God had made it clear that the time of sacrifice was over due to Jesus' one sacrifice.

    Well, in 70 A.D., Rome came and sacked Jerusalem, destroying the temple.

    It has never been rebuilt.

    So in effect, the Jews CAN'T do sacrifices for their sins any longer because the temple is no longer there for them to do so (and the law says it must be done at the temple).

    As with any false teaching, time eventually showed an idea to be obsolete.

    I had the same question as you. Jews don't sacrifice today not only due to the temple being gone but --- as you know, they are all around the world now. They've outgrown a religion that was very focused on a small group of people in a region.

    Plus, imagine if all Jews today kept sacrificing animals...would be a mess.

    Today, they believe their sins are forgiving through prayer. They still won't accept the solution of Jesus to take care of our sins (baptism).

    (It's all very fascinating, which is why I'm still working on our first cultural/spiritual trip to be a Jews for Jesus event...)

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