Monday, September 5, 2011

Morality

Time for my own theorem.

Taking the truth I found from Aristotle: Happiness/Fulfillment comes from achievement by accomplishing something through pursuing a higher purpose. Essentially -basic animal pleasures don't cut it and can in fact leads to vices very easily. Like over eating. People may enjoy food, but it certainly doesn't bring fulfillment to their lives.

Taking the truth I found from Kant: Sometimes good acts are not as good as they can be because the motives behind them are bad. This is true. Motives are important. But that doesn't make self-intrest itself a bad thing.

Taking the Truth I found in Mill: Clearly he was a fan of Buddha's... and maybe Jesus. Compassionate detachment is good. And considering everyone's happiness as part of your ultimate level of happiness is a nice thought. Very inclusive and universal. Putting someone else's happiness before your own is truely a virtuous act.


Now let's stop talking about Happiness. Or at least make some distinctions about it.

1. When you say Happiness it makes me think of everybody being comfortable/ well fed/ enjoying life/ content... So if you're going to say "happiness" have it refer to those things.

2. What we're really talking about is Fulfillment-how to live a Meaningful life. That's what really matters. Happiness waxes and wanes -it's more consistent with people who don't have to struggle with meeting basic needs- but ultimately it comes from within and cannot be controlled. Fulfillment on the other hand lasts forever. We are given X amount of years to wander around this earth and most of the time we're either distracting ourselves from life, trying to find something to do either to entertain ourselve or pass the time, or sleeping. Meaning and purpose are what give our lives a sense of direction. It's what makes life Worth living in the first place. It is also what keeps us going when Happiness leaves. And finding fulfillment boils down to: finding out who your are, who you want to be, what you want to achieve in this life, and actually reaching those goals.

3. None of this has anything to do with morals, which is what all 3 of those guys claimed to be debating. Kant says acting out of self-interest is immoral or deprives good acts from being moral. Mill says an act is only moral if it produces some good, and should aim for making the most amount of good possible. The more good = the more moral. And Aristotle says chasing virtues leads to good moral action, even though Kant pointed out himself that even villains can have courage (a virtue). These guys were too focused on fulfillment/ happiness -which has nothing to do with morality and everything to do with leading a good life (not good as in just/moral, but good as in purposeful).

4. The Key to determining if an act is moral/ immoral is this, which I have mentioned before but I'm stating again:

When you hurt yourself or someone else physically or emotionally you are doing something immoral.

All acts that can be deemed immoral sprout from this concept.

The reason, the Ultimate reason, why morality should be taken into consideration is not because of Duty -though that's nice if that works for you. It's not just about compassion -unfortunately there are some heartless jerks out there who can't feel or understand what that is. It's because when you engage in moral activity -especially repeatedly- you yourself become immoral. This life is then diluted, F*d up, and wasted. And it doesn't end there. I know some atheists assume it does, but it doesn't. The immoral acts degrade your soul and weigh against it. The repercussions of that carry over into your next life. If you don't rise above it, uplift yourself, and lead a higher level of existence you will suffer. Emotionally. Physically. Spiritually. You condemn yourself to whatever life you choose to lead.

http://lookingbacktowardthefuture.blogspot.com/2011/06/epiclog-before-blog.html

http://lookingbacktowardthefuture.blogspot.com/2011/06/golden-rule.html

4 comments:

  1. I believe much of what you say above is accurate.

    You state: "When you hurt yourself or someone else physically or emotionally you are doing something immoral."

    I agree with this, but I go a bit further. I believe *doing anything against God's command or will is immoral*.

    Is there a difference? Well, there shouldn't be, but often there is.

    We were discussing yesterday how silly it is that science decides something is wrong one day, and then having it be ok the next. The truth is, there are probably foods/habits/items that are indeed wrong --- we just don't know about it yet.

    Take cigarettes. Nobody thought that they were bad in the 40's. But turns out they are deadly. They always were deadly. Just that nobody knew or saw the long-term effects.

    But if somebody knew that cigarettes were harmful on day 1, they would have never become the industry that they are today. They might have even been made illegal.

    The things that are right and wrong spiritually are certainly more complex than the things right and wrong physically. Some spiritual choices cause physical/spiritual/emotional harm right now (and we can easily see that they are wrong), and some spiritual choices cause physical/spiritual/emotional in the long term.

    God in His infinite wisdom knows exactly what choices we make now will lead to harm later. Some of these things seem good now because they cause no immediate harm, and so are viewed as being good.

    Let's take the practice of sex before marriage. God says that it is wrong. But if two people decide to do it in the most responsible manner possible, who is being hurt? It appears as if nobody is being hurt by the act.

    So it would be correct according to the theory that wrong is only what hurts another. Yet God says it is wrong.

    That's why I believe following God's command > simply following what we think is harmless.

    People who have wondered why God would give such a command believe (as do I) that sex before marriage eventually does long term harm...hence it would indeed be wrong.

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  2. "Let's take the practice of sex before marriage. God says that it is wrong. But if two people decide to do it in the most responsible manner possible, who is being hurt? It appears as if nobody is being hurt by the act..."

    You're delving into the territory of where I bliefs deviate. The Bible was writtenby Humans. Granted God was reaching them, but it was in a time of less knowing and tolerance than there is today. Humans may have skewd some of God's messages to adjust to their own culture at the time. If you are smoking cigarettes in the 60s and think nothing is wrong with it, but God says it is immoral -would everyone just drop their cig? Especially if cigarettes had been part of the culture for centuries?

    Sex before marriage- It's hard for me to believe that everyone I know who has done this is going to suffer for it. Same with divorce.

    I believe the reason Jesus argud against Divorce and God argued against sex before marriage because it is "Ill adivised" more than "immoral". Like cigarettes -not immoral to smoke them, but also not good in the long run. I think this was God's way of making people realize Marriage is a Sacred, Binding union and should be treated as such. You should focus on the spiritual aspcts of love over the physical. Pure love rises above lust. So I think God just wanted people to take more time and consideration to who they form romantic relationships with. And people who don't often do suffer because they wind up with people they didn't take the time to know fully and realize they aren't suited for each other.

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  3. Yes, this is indeed where our beliefs deviate.

    Me: The Bible is still perfectly applicable today, and is the Word of God.

    You: The Bible is a great work of art, worthy of respect, yet it is dated and limited due to being written by man bound in time.

    Do I have you correct?

    If so, both points of view are respectable---however unless we come to an agreement on what the Bible is today, it could never be used as a source of information/truth for us.

    It would be as silly as us trying to figure out who Hitler was, and studying Pride and Prejudice to do so. lol


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